Vi som är kritiska till Sveriges handhavande av pandemin
Det här är en tråd för människor som är kritiska till Sveriges strategi och som önskar att diskutera ur det perspektivet.
Det här är en tråd för människor som är kritiska till Sveriges strategi och som önskar att diskutera ur det perspektivet.
Intressant artikel: Oxford-epidemiologists ? Suppression strategy is not viable
https://unherd.com/thepost/oxford-epidemiologists-suppression-strategy-is-not-viable/
"On masks:
Tom Jefferson: Aside from people who are exposed on the frontlines, there is no evidence that masks make any difference, but what?s even more extraordinary is the uncertainty: we don?t know if these things make any difference?. We should have done randomised control trials in February, March and April but not anymore because viral circulation is low and we will need huge number of enrolees to show whether there was any difference. Carl Heneghan: By all means people can wear masks but they can?t say it?s an evidence-based decision? there is a real separation between an evidence-based decision and the opaque term that ?we are being led by the science?, which isn?t the evidence."
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"On lockdown:
CH: Many people said that we should have locked down earlier, but 50% of care homes developed outbreaks during the lockdown period so there are issues within the transmission of this virus that are not clear? Lockdown is a blunt tool and there needs to be intelligent conversations about what mitigation strategies can keep society functioning while we keep the most vulnerable shielded."
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"On suppression strategy:
CH: The benefits of the current strategy are outweighed by the harms?When it comes to suppression, only the virus will have a determination in that. If you follow the New Zealand policy of suppressing it to zero and locking down the country forever, then you?re going to have a problem? This virus is so out there now, I cannot see a strategy that makes suppression the viable option. The strategy right now should be how we learn to live with this virus"
Intressant artikel: Oxford-epidemiologists ? Suppression strategy is not viable
https://unherd.com/thepost/oxford-epidemiologists-suppression-strategy-is-not-viable/
"On masks:
Tom Jefferson: Aside from people who are exposed on the frontlines, there is no evidence that masks make any difference, but what?s even more extraordinary is the uncertainty: we don?t know if these things make any difference?. We should have done randomised control trials in February, March and April but not anymore because viral circulation is low and we will need huge number of enrolees to show whether there was any difference. Carl Heneghan: By all means people can wear masks but they can?t say it?s an evidence-based decision? there is a real separation between an evidence-based decision and the opaque term that ?we are being led by the science?, which isn?t the evidence."
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"On lockdown:
CH: Many people said that we should have locked down earlier, but 50% of care homes developed outbreaks during the lockdown period so there are issues within the transmission of this virus that are not clear? Lockdown is a blunt tool and there needs to be intelligent conversations about what mitigation strategies can keep society functioning while we keep the most vulnerable shielded."
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"On suppression strategy:
CH: The benefits of the current strategy are outweighed by the harms?When it comes to suppression, only the virus will have a determination in that. If you follow the New Zealand policy of suppressing it to zero and locking down the country forever, then you?re going to have a problem? This virus is so out there now, I cannot see a strategy that makes suppression the viable option. The strategy right now should be how we learn to live with this virus"
Hur går det, Stockholm? Har ni redan uppnått *inte Sveriges strategi*? Eller hur går det?
Hur går det, Stockholm? Har ni redan uppnått *inte Sveriges strategi*? Eller hur går det?
Lyssna då på vad Tegnell säger om det:
unherd.com/2020/07/swedens-anders-tegnell-judge-me-in-a-year/
Det här är intressant:
"?I don?t think that this is a disease that we can eradicate ? not with the methods that we have right now. It might be a disease that in the long term we can eradicate with a vaccine, but I?m not even sure about that. If you look at comparable diseases like the flu and other respiratory viruses we are not even close to eradicating them despite the fact that we have a vaccine. I personally believe that this is a disease we are going to have to learn to live with.?"
Det handlar visserligen inte om flockimmunitet, men om orsaken varför vi kan behöva en sån. Uppenbarligen tvivlar han på att ens ett vaccin skulle lösa problemet.
Influensa? Vad sägs om HIV? Problem, problem.
...vad jag menar alltså är att Coronan kan visa sig likna HIV, på många sätt.
Hur går det, Stockholm? Har ni redan uppnått *inte Sveriges strategi*? Eller hur går det?
...vad jag menar alltså är att Coronan kan visa sig likna HIV, på många sätt.