Svenskar på Irland del V

That'll give you a warning, love. Ask someone to translate the rules for FL and you soon learn something new. Gobshite.

Herregud. Vad sysslar din kära sambo med, Irrajk? Tycker han att det är tufft att förolämpa mig på iriska?

Synd att tråden skulle spåra ur så totalt. Jag har alltid känt att vi behöver ett fora att träffas och prata i när vi är ledsna eller glada. Men det fick vi tydligen inte.

Min sambo har nu definitivt lämnat denna tråd.

Det var tråkigt att detta hände i tråden. Det var inte det rätta stället för disskusionen. Men det var väl inte endast en ensidig attack...

I vilket fall så vill jag gärna ta del av denna tråden även om jag själv inte är svensk på irland (för tillfället). Så jag hoppas att det är ok.

Vi hade olika åsikter, jag hade mycket hård kritik mot Irland och jag kan förstå att man kan bli arg om man sitter utomlands och längtar hem.
Men det var sambon som sysslade med personangrepp om gäss och annat. Jag har efter flera tillsägelser här på FL tvingat mig själv att skilja på sak och person i debatterna, skriva "du har fel" men inte "du är dum". Det ör en viktig skillnad som det tar tid att lära sig.

Irrajks sambo: The moderator says that I can post in either Swedish or English. I choose the latter as I can attempt to express my wit better using it. I'm sorry you felt that you had to report me, I thought my input into the thread was quite entertaining. By the way, I have no interest in being either here nor there, I try to keep a positive perception of my surroundings no matter where I am ( UK, Holland, USA etc. ). I could, as I did earlier, talk about the many negative aspects of Sweden, but I choose not to, I'd prefer to express myself in a more positive way. I do find it annoying when people choose carnage on Irish roads as a soapbox to disregard Ireland as being some kind of third world country. Also I wasn't talking about Geese as such, I was using an Irish proverb " Where there is women there is talk, where there is Geese there is Cackling ". This was a way for Irish men to make fun of women who they might find themselves arguing with. As you may have observed while living in Ireland, Irish people very much enjoy " banter ", in otherwords - good-humored, playful conversation.

To a certain point I can understand that you feel upset over us/me complaining with Ireland. I'm deadly homesick and suffer from insomnia since long time due to me longing back to Sweden and I do paint a romantic picture of the land back home.

I have in periods trouble seeing positive things with Ireland. I suppose the newspapers don't so much to change the dark picture (I seriously don't read tabloids!). Healtcare, schools, care for elderly, general health, crime - all are problem areas in Ireland. Not to say they are not in Sweden! But I don't live in Sweden. I don't discuss problem areas in Sweden. I live - partly against my own will - in Ireland.

At the same time the moaning has become standard even with the Irish. I had my daughter born in Cork and enjoyed FANTASTIC post-natal care for me and neo natal care for her. Even the ante-natal care was great - and I went public. I'm telling you (and everyone else) the care for pregnant and babies here is way superiour to Sweden. Do I get surprised or not then when Irish women are dismissing my praise, insisting all is crap in Ireland!? Sure that's based on their experience but I would expect them to take it in and feel proud or at least accept my experience as a great example, but they don't.

It's a little bit do as the Jones or however the saying goes. The Irish are behind on many areas (of natural reasons, Brits, famine, war, Eamonn de Valera, catholic church, The Troubles, The 80:s), they do try and get things together, but are slower than countries like Sweden (who haven't had a war in 197 years + have great natural resources) or Norway (with their oil).
But that's what we compare to! It is unfair, no doubt about that, but try and see our background here.

I'm from a middle class family in Stockholm, from a large warm house, from a school with free lunches, from a university environment without fees and with generous lending and grants for students, for a health care that is free, free dentists up until your 19, from the best roads in Europe, from the country most advanced in environmental issues. From a country where smacking children have been illegal for a generation. We will never be able to make a fair comparision with Ireland.
In saying that we might be able to inspire Ireland and contribute our own way. I'd like to see it as a strenght rather than a problem.

Irrajks sambo: It's great to have the tone changed to positive. There are things that I don't miss about Ireland, people thinking they are cool driving while drunk, taking Drugs, criminals arming themselves to the teeth to protect ilegal import of drugs. Personally I want the Irish Government to use the Irish Rangers to stamp these criminal operations out. I would be very supportive of Swedish people in Ireland expressing their concerns about crime or violence in Ireland. There was a time when I could only see the negative side to the world though, for example I don't have time for Nationalists' ( Sinn Fein ) or Loyalist paramilitaries, nor some Britains' " imperialistic " attitudes. I did spend time living in the UK negatively pondering about my hatred of England, but as time progressed I realised that there are many good, decent English Men and Women that deserve my utmost respect. So this brings me back to my reaction to your perception of Irish drivers, I fully accept that there are people in Ireland who use " loopholes " in Irish license laws to not take responsibilty for themselves or their actions, but at the same time there are many Irish people who uphold the law and have similar values to you and I, is it fair that we catagorise them as a bunch of delinquents, roaming around the streets just looking to mow an innocent person down?

There are other things that immigrants find difficult to understand about Ireland, only 90 years ago our culture was imperialised by the British crown, so only through rebelion and war did we achieve the free state we know today. Do we carry this rebelious attitude on to authority today? Maybe so, I'm not sure, but maybe this is what you are picking up when you hear the disgruntled Irish people complaining about the State. This is something you must understand about Irish people, we'll spend the whole day slagging each other, but we really don't mean it!

I am delighted to hear your perception of Irish Natal care, one of my children was born in Dublin and the other was born in Sweden. I must confess that the first, my little Boy, was born in Dublin, but I was so concerned that my partner and baby were going to survive the ordeal I didn't even notice the work of the hospital staff. For my Daughter, the birth was at a Swedish Hospital, but I was way more relaxed so I thought it went really smooth. I am always humble when it comes to Birth, I was just standing there, my partner did all the work, I think she should have the comments on care etc.

I am someone who comes from a similar Dublin background, my parents are lovely people, our family could be considered as middle class, dare I use the term. My Mother is probably one of the most positive thinkers I know, I'd love to mention her name as I'm sure many people throughout Ireland would agree, but I don't think I should. I differ from you in the way that I was beaten up, I was locked up in a room, humiliated by my adult teachers who justified this because I wouldn't agree with their opinion ( only 25 years ago ). At times this crosses my mind: " could I really fuckin' expose my children to such treatment, I don't trust that all these wankers are gone out of the educational system in Ireland ". Almost daily I come accross Swedish fools, but at the same time I meet wonderful, gentle, itellegent Swedish people. I fear returning to Ireland sometimes because in the back of my mind I wonder what is waiting for my kids in their future there, but I try to rise above the fools and all the clowns. I try to take inspiration from the positive aspects of my environment, especially those I have experienced in Sweden. If surrounded by hate, dispare, negativity and hopelessness, I always try to think the opposite " positive thought, hope, love... " ( thanks Ma! ).

BTY sorry for steering the thread the opposite way you intended, we will be back in Ireland next year, so I hope we can contribute again.

Irrajk

men inga problem med din sambo, jag tycker det är kul att vädra åsikter.....man blir lätt patriotiskt.

Vi har tänkt flytta till stockholm, eller Enköping för det är där vi kan få in min sambo i svenskrugby och de fixar jobb till honom om han kommer dit och spelar, vilket är en stor hjälp. + att han får en umgängeskrets och nått han gillar att göra vilket är positivt. Och en av hans bästa kompisar här från irland flyttar oxå med så han får lite stöd.

Här är svin kallt nu... kanske 0 ute och -1 inne, hehe nu får din sambo nått annat att förbanna sig över, men jag står för att sverige har bättre levnadsstandard på husbygge med...

hallå, kul att ni andra kom tillbaka...

Lilla mej, ibland blir det mycket reaktion och känsla först...

Det är ju skitbra att ni redan har kontakter och ni vet att rugbyn kommer att finnas där plus att han har en polare med sig. Vilket lyx.

Det tog oss nästan 3 år innan sambon hittade "hem" här. Han började köra motocross och det är som en ny värld för honom när han hittat människor som är som han själv här i Sverige.

Sambon var inte glad idag när han var tvungen att fixa med bilen ute i kylan, (ha ha, ibland är det bra att vara kvinna). Men jag tror att han har kommit över den värsta chocken nu. För nu vet han att det kommer bli svinkallt så han kan förbereda sig.

På tal om husbygge: Jag kommer aldrig glömma det första huset jag bodde i på Irland. När jag duschade läckte det nere i vardagsrummet. Jag visste inte om det och en av killarna i huset stod och knackade på min dörr för att be mig sluta duscha. Jag hörde inget utan tog en härlig lång dusch. Fick sen sitta och skämmas nere i vardagsrummet när det droppade halva kvällen...